Armand Niculescu, BEng, MSM, is a 34 year old Art Director at Media Division. and he enjoys working with visual arts for film, web and print. You can see his photography gallery.

51 responses to “RAW Processors – an extensive review of Aperture, Bibble, Capture One, DxO and Lightroom”

  1. John

    Armand,
    Thank you for your ongoing reviews. They are the best on the Net.
    It is wonderful to see this software evolving. It’s moving even faster than camera development. The camera makers just seem to be adding fluff on new models.
    Since I don’t have a Mac, Aperture is not a choice. I will continue with DXO and LR3.
    I would appreciate reading comments on integrating the two.

    John in Canada

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    1. Robert

      Hello John,

      Before I dit my RAW-conversions only with B4, but since B5 I also work, like you, with DxO and LR3.
      Here is my wokflow : I put all the pictures I want to convert in DxO to make the following adjustments : Vignetting – distortion – DxO-softness – CA. The output I do in DNG. I import the DNG’s in LR3 and make there the final adjustments. All this happens in the colorspare Prophoto. When I output the pictures from LR3, this is in JPEG and AdobeRGB.

      This works quite good …
      Hope it helps a bit

      Rob (Belgium)

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  2. Matthias

    Hi,

    i really like your reviews – help a lot in making decisions.

    As a LR3 owner, but still beginner: are the “extra” $300 for DXO really worth it for all the lens corrections compared to the same feature in LR3? I could imagine using the same workflow as Rob, but it seems an expensive way to me…
    On the other hand:when there is an even better way to process my photos i tend to use it.

    Thanks
    Matthias

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  3. Peter

    Armand,
    Replacing – at last – my good old 800 MHz PowerPC G4 with a new iMac I intend to get the best RAW converter(s) in addition to Apple’s free and easy iPhoto. That’s why I loved your extensive review.

    At the moment I prefer slightly DXO because of its best optical corrections and most optimal use for my Nikon D80 with 18-200mm G ED lens (also supported in LR3).
    In your review of ‘Capture One’ I missed though any reference to PhaseOne’s recently acquired ‘Microsoft Expression Media 2′ (the former iView) with – anyway by it’s tutorials – promising ideal (?) DAM features which C1 seems to lack in your review.

    Starting ‘from scratch’ the organising of files of a mix of RAW, TIFF, jPEG (from both Nikon D80 and Canon Ixus) and scanned slides/analogue pictures, do you recommend this MEM2 adding to DXO, or do I stick best to your highly recommended Aperture 3 (best DAM) and/or LR3 (versatile and user friendly). Not to neglect the fact that for MAC, LR3 and MEM2 both have Dutch versions.

    Using these workintensive programs, which processor/RAM combination is to recommend: i5 (8 RAM or i7 4 RAM)?

    Thanks for advice.
    Peter (Belgium)

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  4. Chris

    Great review!!!

    I have a special problem. Most of these programs aren’t even available for my preferred operating system, linux. Any chance of taking a look at digiKam and LightZone so i know if they are worth the time and effort or not?

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  5. zkot

    Hi Armand & thanks for the excellent update. Since I use PC, I was looking at a previously recommended workflow of DxO ->-> export to LR as DNG. I found the DxO exports full of noisy blotches, poor edge detail, and lost highlight detail. I then re-imported RAW into LR, which yielded great results in those areas. I like RAW conversion in LR, and am looking at exporting that result into DxO for lens distortion correction ONLY.

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    1. Peter

      After using DxO’s demo during a one month trial period, I bought version 6.2 thanks to both the easy and versatile use of its ‘Geometry Palette’ (see p.36 of its manual) and the most helpful (and quick!) answers to my many questions by the efficient Support team.

      Comparing with LR3 I tried also, its ‘Keystoning’ tool gives more efficient results to my liking, due to the pair of “Up/Down” and “Left/Right” sliders which are ideal for any additional fine control tuning and adjusting any vertical or horizontal keystoning correction. I used it extensively with great results on all wide-angle images of my trip to the USA (skyscrapers, canyons, and the like) by my Nikon D80 (Nikkor I8-200 mm).
      To my (brief) experience LR3 was not as efficient in lifting up/putting down the angles of any rectangular object after adjusting horizons, and worked slower.

      Regarding your intended workflow though: did you already experienced exporting the results of RAW coversion in LR into DxO “for its distortion correction only”?
      If not, then this note of warning by DxO itself (manual p.14 “selecting images from a LR catalog”): “if your images have been transformed or converted from Raw to JPEG by Lightroom, DxO Optics Pro will not be able to apply optical corrections in auto-mode”.
      Anyway, be informed that version 6.5 will be launched early november (see also the site of dpreview), providing specific support for LR3.

      In the near future – at the moment I still work with iPhoto – I intend my workflow to be importing images into DxO first, then export them to AP3 (primarily for better photo library management).
      Does this seem OK to you (I have no experience at all with AP) – and to Armand, for that matter?

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    2. Peter

      After using DxO’s demo during a one month trial period, I bought version 6.2 thanks to both the easy and versatile use of its ‘Geometry Palette’ (see p.36 of its manual) and the most helpful (and quick!) answers to my many questions by the efficient Support team.

      Comparing with LR3 I tried also, its ‘Keystoning’ tool gives more efficient results to my liking, due to the pair of “Up/Down” and “Left/Right” sliders which are ideal for any additional fine control tuning and adjusting any vertical or horizontal keystoning correction. I used it extensively with great results on all wide-angle images of my trip to the USA (skyscrapers, canyons, and the like) by my Nikon D80 (Nikkor I8-200 mm).
      To my (brief) experience LR3 was not as efficient in lifting up/putting down the angles of any rectangular object after adjusting horizons, and worked slower.

      Regarding your intended workflow though: did you already experienced exporting the results of RAW coversion in LR into DxO “for its distortion correction only”?
      If not, then this note of warning by DxO itself (manual p.14 “selecting images from a LR catalog”): “if your images have been transformed or converted from Raw to JPEG by Lightroom, DxO Optics Pro will not be able to apply optical corrections in auto-mode”.
      Anyway, be informed that version 6.5 will be launched early november (see also the site of dpreview), providing specific support for LR3.

      In the near future – at the moment I still work with iPhoto – I intend my workflow to be importing images into DxO first, then export them to AP3 (primarily for better photo library management).
      Does this seem OK to you (I have no experience at all with AP) – and to Armand, for that matter?

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      1. Robert

        Peter,

        I tried to export the result from LR3 into DxO and there is no automatic distortion correction (but you can do a manual correction).

        I can only recommend the workflow you intend to follow : DxO and then AP3/LR3. Gives great results.

        Succes

        Rob

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  6. Michael

    Armand, I really enjoyed reading your well-arranged and elaborated review. Comparing the different processors is surely not an easy task.

    Starting with the early day’s Raw Shooter I employed Capture One (Vs. 3 and 4), tried Nikon’s Capture NX (1, only a few hours, time is money…) and now try my luck with B5 pro which – as you already outlined – has some promising features in its pipeline.

    Do you have any idea how the current Nikon Capture NX2 would rank in the outlined lineup (probybly only with regard to your helpful table in 4. features).

    Thanks and best regards
    Michael

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  7. Kevin

    Excellent work, thanks a lot for doing it. You saved me a lot of time (which I don’t have).

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  8. Gip

    Great write-up! Got Bibble 5 when a friend suggested it. It replaced my digikam and lightzone on my Ubuntu OS and Replaced DXO on my virtual Windows OS. Still learning to operate it properly but just posted some shots processed only in Bibble 5.

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  9. incomen

    I’m a LR user and I didn’t know about Bible5… so thank you for this review…

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  10. Chris

    Update- I’m happily running Bibble 5 on Linux. Definitely good enough for me!

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  11. yukonchris

    Another great review! Thanks for looking at all of these software choices. I still think it would be valuable to add ACDSee Pro to the mix. It offers both RAW conversion and DAM facilities. As a long time user, I’m keen to know how it stacks up against these competitors.

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  12. Alex Burda

    Great review! And an advise for DXO users. First, try to use the tone curve instead of the DXO Lighting feature. The results are more natural and the curve is more flexible comparatively with that from other aplications.
    Second, is a tip which comes from the manual:
    “TIP: The default rendering in DxO Optics Pro tries to replicate
    the color rendering that the camera would have generated on a JPEG image, which in general is quite saturated and contrasty. The “Camera” / “Color neutral, tonality neutral” color rendering will produce a more neutral image with a lower level of contrast. (This color rendering is also accessible via the “Natural Color” preset).”
    I think they are wright. The Color Rendering should be set on “neutral color, neutral tonality”. The results are not so excessively contrasty and look a bit more like those you get from Lightroom.
    Succes!

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    1. Robert

      Alex,

      Thanks for the tip about “neutral Color” preset. Results are better, more natural.

      Best regards,

      Rob

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      1. Alex Burda

        My pleasure Robert. :) Any way, the idea is that by using neutral color and tonality, one can control the level of contrast the image renders instead of having to accept a preset from the application.

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  13. Alex Burda

    Well… :) for those who are curios, there is a way to get identical results from DXO and Lightroom 3. I just figure it out. :) I will be back with a description of the process. ;)

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    1. Tracy Valleau

      back soon, I hope… My workflow currently uses both LR and DxO, so I’m quite curious

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  14. Jorge Hernandez

    Have you tested DXO 6.5 ?

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  15. John

    DXO has released 3.5 which implies a significant upgrade from 3.2.
    Thoughts?
    FC

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  16. Peter

    I just printed out the manual of update 6.5, in which all the information seems far better organized and structured than before. I already make good use of it in understanding better its working.
    Also important: LR3 is now fully supported (disappointingly still not for AP3).

    In my overall use of DxO the tip of Alex about the “tone curve” was of great help, although the use of the “Default v2″ preset to the RAW files of my Nikon D80-Nikkor zoom 18-200 mm combination works very satisfying too.

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    1. Alex Burda

      A smal note about that curve: it is not working in the same way as the one from other applications (AP3 or LR3) so the results are not the same. Especially because it has a great impact on the contrast rendition (which is not the case in AP3 and LR3). Usually, when moving a point upwards the contrast goes downwards and vice versa. The same when using that Gamma feature below it. DXO Lighting seems to be using a curve like the one in LR3 but in auto mode which is kind of interesting. :)

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  17. Alex Burda

    I am already using the latest version of DXO. There are a few differences from the previous one. The brightness function in the DXO lighting seems to be more precise, although I am used to adjust it manually so that the final result to correspond with original (usually in auto-slight, the addition to gamma 1 should correspond with the minus correction in the Exposure). Also, the Noise reduction is improved (4 aspects in stead of 3 and a “remove color moire” added), the Force rectangle works better and faster, the cropping is just great now and the selection of the individual photos is excellent and much easier, with big previews accompanied by the shooting parameters.
    On the negative side, the auto vignetting is a bit erratic in its behavior. To be handled with care because it is affecting the lighter tones…that when its results are not just catastrophic and one just has to shut it down completely or use it in manual. I for one, prefer to shut it down because I do not find it very artistic. Also on the negative side, the dust tool is ridiculously limited to 50 pixels size which is very problematic if the dust spots are bigger. The results are not very good.
    In rest, everything seems to be the same. The new “HDR in one picture” is present as a preset but I do not particularly like HDR :) (actually I hate it).
    Generally, I believe that those who use DXO should bear in mind that the philosophy behind this software is to help photographers to get results matching as good as possible those that they might have get if using slide film instead of digital. This is why the final photos tend to have such a contrasty rendition. So, for those who used to love using slide film (I for one – what wonderful times) I recommend an additional increase of contrast with 50 points under the color modes palette. Suddenly, the Exposure and DXO lighting will start behaving like when under or over exposing a slide film. Because I used slide I love this and find it to be very familiar but those who are not used with slide might not (younger photographers mostly). Any way, is question of taste. To be tried. :)
    Great photos to all!

    PS: I tried to apply the numbers from Noise and Unsharp mask given by DXO in LR3. Very interesting results. :) I recommend to LR3 users to save presets with that for the different ISO numbers (luminance varying between 20 and 35, with all the others parameters at 50).

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  18. Tracy Valleau

    I use DxO 6.5 to “pre-process” my raw files before taking them into LR3 (saved out as DNGs.) I ended up experimenting with various settings and creating my own presets specifically for that – meaning that I don’t use all the features of DxO, since LR does some things better (IMHO). As a fine art photographer, most of my time is spent in Photoshop however.

    I wrote one of the first online commentaries on HDR (“HDR Sucks” http://www.tracyvalleau.com/blog/?p=12 ) in which I generally agree with your opinion. That said, it -is- possible to use (instead of over-use) HDR to good effect in a print. Moderation is the key.

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    1. Alex Burda

      I do not like HDR because I do not find it very natural in a photo. Although our eyes work in almost constant HDR mode, I do not expect to see that in a photo. :) But, as I said, I am basically a slide film photographer (although I do not use slides any more) and even if this kind of effect was also possible on film, it was very unusual and rarely used (see the book of Les Meehan, “Creative exposure control” from 2001). Instead, the art consisted in finding that exposure which gave the right balance between lights and shadows. This is why, even if I know I can do this quest in front of my computer not on the spot, I am still using a hand held meter so that I can be sure that I have that balance right in the first place. In this regard, DXO comes handy because I think it is constructed for this kind of photography (it is indeed like using a classic film camera). Instead, Photoshop and LR3 (which I also like and I think does some things better, bot not necessarily very different) are clearly designed for the digital world and art.

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  19. Tracy Valleau

    Yep: I’ve been a photographer for 54 years, and most of it with slides. The point you make is the point I made in the blog posting I pointed you to. :-)

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  20. Alex Burda

    Great posting that one of yours. :) It describes exactly what I think about doing photography (although I have never expressed it in words like that, but more feeling it – my experience is far shorter then yours). What you are saying there makes me think that any one who wants to do real photography (beyond compact or mobile phone camera) should first start with film and deal with its limitation before getting to digital. This helps one to learn what photography, as an artistic representation of reality, is.

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  21. Tracy Valleau

    Thanks… as to “film first” : I’m not sure that the path I walked was anything more than forced on me by my time in history. Sure: there some benefits to having gone the whole route, but I’d say that one ( a new photographer) could do better by studying art (paintings, sculpture, heck: even literature) and then studying fine photography by the masters. You can do it all with digital, but the danger is the “instant” nature of something passable. One might take that as “good enough.”

    It’s my experience (& I’m going to sound like an old fart here) that most of the younger folks “want it now” and are not interested in learning the craft and then the art. It still takes time and care to do good work, and it always will, AFAIK.

    We take raw files precisely because we want that palette to -work- with. We can “push-button” things to get to a nice starting point… but that’s as far as you’ll get – to the starting line. THEN the journey to the final print begins.

    I learned by trial and error, and gawd knows how much $$, the basic process of refining a raw file to get it to look right. Over the years, other folks did that as well. We all came to agree on the sequence of steps, and the adjustments needed… and a lot of that was subsequently built into the software. DxO does a fine job at this. Lightroom has its tools arranged in the proper order, top to bottom. It wasn’t always that way.

    So, my take is that one uses DxO, or LR, or RPP, or CR et al, to just get “the negative looking good.” Then the real work begins.

    And that comes back to “do you need to learn film first?” My answer would be “no.” But that doesn’t absolve the artist from the time and experimentation and dedication it takes to make real art.

    [Pontification OFF] :-)

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  22. Tracy Valleau

    I guess, to be clear, my little rant about “younger folks” was NOT aimed at anyone on this list, which, by its very definition is home to people who are working on their art, and care deeply about quality results (else they wouldn’t be here, eh?) It was instead a general lament about the speed of our technology, which makes instant results possible, and then (to the detriment of artists everywhere) expected.

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  23. kaptnk

    It is great to see the comparisons. We use DXO first and then PS CS5 and have LR3, so which one is best where is important to know. As both a Canon and Olympus user, the new E-5 Olympus body might be slow to get the modules from DXO. See that CS5 raw’s engine works great is must know info. Generally we prefer DXO for optics and noise removal.

    thanks for the review

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  24. yukonchris

    In addition to my October note about ACDsee, I just stumbled across another piece of software called Zoner Photo Studio 13 PRO Edition, Like ACDsee, it seems to offer much the same functionality as the software you’ve reviewed for us here. Again, it would be great to compare some of these less well know, but certainly more affordable and possibly just as good, alternate solutions. Cheers again for your excellent review!

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  25. Angel Conde - Fotógrafo

    Great Analisys , nice work, i use Lightroom 3 and i like too much , but i like DXO results.

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  26. Corros

    Great test. I’ve also tested dome software. http://cor-oskam.blogspot.com/2011/01/test-van-dxo-optics-pro-65.html

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  28. fotomate

    by far it’s the best review on the web I found regarding different solution comparison. I am waiting for an 2011 update.

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  29. Vincent JM

    Armand, your results from Capture One surprise me. I’ve always found it able to extract noticeably more detail than Lightroom and a tad more than Aperture. C1 has been giving me the most accurate colors of the lot, with the least amount of manual intervention. As for the amount of “punch” in the image, C1 tends to be conservative, but that’s tweakable too.

    What sold me on C1 was the ability to produce high quality publishable images out of the box with almost no photoshop post processing, while remaining true to its roots as a pure raw processing tool and not try to take over your image library and impose its own DAM structure and image management workflow you don’t need.

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  30. Jon Beebe

    Regarding Bibble5 & perspective correction, I recently used it for an architectural project and found the free zPerspector plugin invaluable. It allows Bibble to completely remove any perspective problems. I’m certain you could process your test image to be as good as Lightroom’s or DXO’s versions.

    Here’s a link to the zPerspector plugin: http://bibblelabs.com/products/bibble5/features/plugins.html?plug=zperspector

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  31. yukonchris

    In addition to some pretty powerful DAM functionality, and all the usual image adjustment capabilities you’d expect in a professional image editor, ACDsee Pro version 4 now also includes some useful perspective correction tools under the “Geometry” tab of the Process module. These are divided into sliders controlling Vertical (perspective), Horizontal (perspective), Vertical Sheer, and Horizontal Sheer. Thus far, I’ve found them to work quite well, giving lots of control in customizing the those elements of my images independently.

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  32. Daniel A. Morris

    GOOD NEWS!!! You can download Aperture 3 from the Apple App Store for $79.00.
    This is a fantastic product at a price that can’t be beat. I looked at all of them and it has lots of great output features that weren’t mentioned. It’s also very fast on my MacBook Pro Dual Core Intel i7 system, like instantaneous on virtually all operations.

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  33. Jacklyn

    Hmm it seems like your site ate my first comment (it was extremely long)
    so I guess I’ll just sum it up what I had written and say, I’m thoroughly enjoying your blog.
    I as well am an aspiring blog writer but I’m still new to everything. Do you have any points for novice blog writers? I’d certainly appreciate
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  34. Rudy

    This design is spectacular! You obviously know how to
    keep a reader entertained. Between your wit and your videos, I was almost moved to start my
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  35. Sourav Biswas

    Excellent detailed review. I’m sure it will help many user to choose or switch the product as per their need. Thanks for posting it.

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  36. Lindsey Kay

    Two years later and people are still using your review! That must tell you something. Thank you so much. The pictures all side by side was fantastic! I’m a heavy mac/iphoto user so I think I’m going to get Aperture. Thanks again!

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  37. tetsu

    Great review! I´ve been looking for a comparison like this for a while! It will be extremely cool if you can update this review for 2012! With the latest versions of each software suite, specially since these two years brought so much advance in RAW processing!

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